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and it's not over. that does it for us tonight. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." soccer has now reached 100% of its potential audience in the united states, because even i watched the game today. and i believe that makes it 100% of the possible audience. >> i watched, too, so we might have hit 101%. >> thank you very much, rachel. in a relentlessly dramatic world cup game today, i guess i mean match, team usa showed sports fans once again that there can be nobility in losing. breaking news, the united states soccer team just beat ghana. >> usa!
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>> how are you? great to see you. >> the biggest night yet in the world cup as the u.s. battles portugal. >> the television inside the room is also playing the game. >> portugal scored a game-tying goal in the final second that stunned soccer fans around the world. >> the usa escapes the group of death. congratulations. >> i've never been more excited, because even though they did lose, they're still advancing. >> usa versus belgium. that tiny european country with a population just slightly smaller than ohio. >> belgium. >> a lot of americans have opened their eyes to the world's
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most popular sport. >> in the united states first world cup match in 1930 against belgium, three goals were scored. all by the united states. this afternoon, team usa faced belgium again in the world cup and again, three goals were scored. all of them in overtime. and only one by the united states. here is 19-year-old julian green rising to the challenge and getting team usa on the scoreboard, bringing almost unbearable attention for the people i was with any way, and hope to the final minutes of the game for team usa fans. goalie tim howard kept team usa in the game by setting a world cup record of 16 saves against the belgium goalie's four saves.
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the previous record was 13 saves in 1978. tim howard's heroic performance was not enough today for a victory. but he earned praise from belgium's captain who tweeted this -- two words, tim howard. respect. tonight, team usa has the respect of their cheerleader in chief and fans across the country. >> i believe, i believe, i believe that we can win. >> i believe that we can win! i believe that we can win! >> joining me now, comedian and "30 rock star" judah friedlander. and from pal alto, california, u.s. women's world cup champion
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brandy chastain. my first public discussion of soccer in my life was just days ago on this program with you and you finally got me. you turned me into a viewer, of not only just of the game today, but you've turned me into a sports caster today. how was your day and how did you recover from what happened at the end oh of that game? >> i recovered fine. that's what we do, we're winners. i'm the world champion, things don't bother me. it was a great game to me. very frustrating for the first more than 90 minutes of the game. it was a very frustrating teetering on a disgrace. and the last 10, 15 minutes, the u.s. showed unbelievable intestinal fortitude. came back and almost tied this thing up. so it was great. i feel great. it was a tough tournament for
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them, but there was awful moments, there were great moments, and many flashes of brilliance. and i'm very proud of the team. >> brandy, what was going through your mind today as you were watch thing game? >> well, i was just thinking that, you know, the usa mentality that goes along with u.s. soccer, men's and women's, is we're going to fight to the end. ultimately we did that. i honestly thought that chris wondolowski in the 92nd minute was going to put that ball away. he's from san jose and i watch him regularly. he's notorious for scoring goals in added time. i thought, my gosh, this was fate to have him in this position. it wasn't meant to be, but like judah said, this was a wonderful occasion for soccer in this country. i think people have glommed onto this team for all the right reasons, for the tim howards, the clint dempseys, the new players like julian green.
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i think soccer has a place in the sports landscape in this country and that's very exciting for me. >> dave, i think that i'm the test case, if they could reach me, then soccer fever really has hit a new high in this country. >> yep. the wine is out of the bottle, the horse is out of the barn. there's an old expression that soccer is the sport of the future in the united states, and it always will be. which is like the fatalist position that everyone always says soccer is going to hit a turning point, but it never does. we are there. the rating for this, crushed the nba finals. made the nhl stanley cup look like a test pattern, rivaling the football championship. here's a prediction for you, even with the usa out, i think the ratings in the united states are still going to be through
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the roof. that's how much i think people are on to the sport. >> that's what i was wondering about today, team usa is out. now what happens in these locations around the country where people have been gathering to watch this? and the people i watched it with here at work tell me they will still be watching, that they are hooked on the entirety of the world cup. >> i think people are hooked right now. i think this year one of the reasons soccer got more popular is all the kids play it and i think it was kind of a perfect storm this year of the media doing such a great job of showcasing the sport, promoting it, and doing things where you get to know the athletes on the team. that combined with summer, the games are on during the day. we're americans. people don't like to work that much. they like to drink and party and get dressed up. it was the perfect thing. hey, we have this new event where people can do that. i don't drink, but i this that's
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what america is doing. >> brandy, talk to us about what those athletes of team usa, what they're feeling right now tonight. having gone through something like this. >> i think the emotions obviously were all over the place. you know, it's hard to really have perspective at this time, because you're not far enough away from it. they're going to be physically exhausted. they're going to be thinking about the things they could have done to make a difference. they're going to be so grateful for their goalkeeper, tim howard, for all that he did and for all that -- all the saves he made throughout the tournament. specifically in this last game. but ultimately i think they'll look back and say what they've done for soccer is huge and meaningful. but they're going to get on with their lives because they're professionals and that's what they do. you're not going to win every game you play and you have to deal with that. that's the unfortunate truth of sport.
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>> i've got to say, the last time i even noticed soccer in this way was in 1999 when you won the women's world cup. that seemed to lift the game and its visibility, but for me, as someone who was really out of it, that didn't last very long, that sensation of, oh, look, soccer is really grabbing people. >> well, i think that was a different time. i think judah said something that's really valid, which is the media have caught attention to soccer. the outlets for soccer are much greater than they ever have been. social media has been a way to share the sport. but i think mls, the growth of mls in this country, the fact that half of the team of the men's usa team play in the mls, have given our players a lot of experience. what i'm hoping is that the fans that have been watching the world cup and have been enjoying it, will now go to the stadium
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with that same enthusiasm and really bring soccer to the next level. the fans have to be part of it, it's not just about the players. i hope the fans feel they're as important to the players to the development of soccer in this country. >> dave, i've been asking a little bit about how do these players -- judah has narrated a great documentary on espn about the world cup, and we see the players on team usa making decisions should i play for germany or usa. and other players around the world have those choices because of their citizenship, which country they might want to play for. how do they end up where they end up? >> that's a great question. one website said what would every world cup look like if there was no immigration. it was very stark how different all the teams would be.
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advent of the world cup is an opportunity to make very positive arguments about immigration. not to get political here, but make the point that immigration, the bringing together of different cultures humanizes our friends and neighbors and brings us closer together. the world cup is a great example of that. there are many different motivations where players choose to play. some of them are personal, some are financial. but i think it's wonderful we end up with this group of players who are much bigger than the sum of their parts. >> brandy, as a player, i have to ask you something that for those of us who look at soccer very occasionally, the weirdest thing in the game is watching the ball bounce off of people's heads and you're first looking at it, and it's kind of funny, like what kind of sport do you use your head that way? and with all of our modern information that we have about head trauma and concussion in the nfl and all that, i've got to think that a career of that
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kind of skull banging is not a safe thing to go through. >> well, this is a very hot topic right now, like you said in the nfl, but across the board in all sports. different sports are making new rules about what their youth should be doing and not doing in their sport. lacrosse has made changes to the rules. football has made changes to the rules. i would like to help change a rule in soccer that young kids 14 and younger not head the ball. i'm working with dr. bob cantu from the sports legacy institute in boston about the trauma that does happen of repetitive headings. and if we can lessen those opportunities, i think it's like 30% of head injuries do come from heading the ball, if we can lessen those opportunities for those head collisions or that heading, maybe we can create more technical to be soccer players that would have been
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better and maybe we would have won the world cup because we're that much more technically inclined. it's important for me as a former player and a parent that i do something to improve our game in the long run. and along with two former players, again, the sports legacy institute and the institute of sports law and ethics, we're working together to change those rules and hopefully u.s. soccer and the leagues across this country and hundreds of thousands of millions of kids will have that change in the game so that we can have healthier, safer fields. we can have kids that will stay in soccer longer and lead healthier lives once they're done with their career. >> judah, i need to thank you for your appearances on this program and for luring me in and getting me excited about
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watching today's game, which i really was. and it was a lot of fun. i understand why all those people watching with president obama, i now get it. and i didn't get it just, you know, days ago. so judah, thanks a lot for that. >> you're welcome. that's what heroes do. we give back to society and make america a better place. soccer is an emotional game. it's incredibly emotional. just because a score is 2-1, it's great. >> judah, always a winner. thanks for joining me tonight, dave and brandy, thank you also for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, what does beyonce -- take your time with this question -- what does beyonce have to do with yesterday's supreme court ruling on contraception coverage in health plans? you don't know? tweet me your guesses and you will get the answer in tonight's rewrite.
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we now have scientific proof -- well, okay, not scientific proof, just political proof that chris christie has given up all hope of becoming president of the united states. after yesterday's supreme court decision allowing some employers to opt out of providing some forms of birth control in their health insurance plans, the republicans, who are serious about trying to win their party's nomination for president, all issued gleeful statements. rand paul said, "with this decision, america will continue to serve as a safe haven for those looking to exercise religious liberty." ted cruz called it a land mark victory for religious liberty. marco rubio said it was a reaffirmation of america's commitment to religious freedom. you got that? religious liberty.
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religious freedom. message of the day, and here, here is what chris christie actually said. >> was the supreme court right in its decision? >> who knows? is the supreme court right? the fact is, when you're an executive, your supreme court makes a ruling and you have to live with it unless you can get the legislative body to change the law or the constitution. the point is, why should i give an opinion on whether they're right or wrong? at the end of the day, they did what they did. >> okay, if you don't accept that as proof that chris christie is not going to run for the republican presidential nomination, you must take it as proof of how badly he will lose if he does. making new york state number two in the nation
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stress on the hospitals, especially rural hospitals. without medicaid expansion, the reimbursements are falling, and hospitals like the one in my hometown, are on the brink of possibly even closing. if you don't have critical access hospitals, people needlessly die. that's a fact. we're talking about life or death here. people will die. this is not debatable. nobody can come here and debate if people are going to die or not. it is a certainty. >> as indicated on the screen, that was the republican mayor of bell haven, north carolina, pleading for his state's republican controlled legislature to expand medicaid under the affordable care act, which would help not just the low income residents of north carolina, but hospitals, often rural hospitals, that seven those residents. when the affordable care act was created, funds that went to reimbursing hospitals were reallocated to medicaid to cover that expansion for those
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patients. but when a state doesn't take the medicaid expansion, those funds are gone to the budget, and they don't go to the uninsured patients of all those hospitals that have been serving them and have been getting the compensation to serve them. this is now contributing to a crisis that may force some closings, like this hospital, the one the mayor was talking about, will closed this morning just after midnight. vidant health told the city of bell haven it had until july 1 to assume control of the hospital or it would have to be shut down. now the 20,000 patients have to travel 26 miles, over 30 minutes to the next closest hospital. the vidant beaufort hospital in
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washington, north carolina. 30 minutes that we all know could mean life or death for some patients. >> i'm asthmatic, and i've had times where i had to go down there. i pray to god i don't have that attack in the middle of the night where i would have to try to get nearly 40 miles away. just this past weekend, my husband had to go to the emergency room. so it's a vital part of the community. >> i do believe there's going to be some people that may die because they cannot get the medical treatment that they deserve. >> joining me now is the mayor of bell haven, north carolina, adam o'neal, and the president of the north carolina naacp reverend william barber. mayor, i've seen reports on this, this network has been covering it expensively, and one
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former patient said if that hospital wasn't there, he wouldn't be alive today. it seems like in this situation, we're one heart attack away of someone not surviving because of the distance they have to travel. >> there's no doubt the distance is going to be a factor and people will die. rural health care has to be looked after in this country. in our town right here, we have a situation where medicaid expansion would have made some difference, but here we also have a large medical hospital conglomerate that came to our town, took over our hospital, and then closed it down to send our people up the road 30 miles to prop up another hospital. so we have a situation that the medicaid expansion was a factor and also vidant health. you know, the poor people in our health care system aren't the
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problem, greedy people are the problem. the medicaid situation needs to be resolved, and this state and across the country, we need to make sure we don't start losing critical access hospitals. the reason they're called critical access hospitals is because they're critical. if you don't have them, you have a substantial reduction in the quality of health care in the community. it's a big deal. for a hospital to close, not only do people die, all the ancillary services, all the vendors, all the stuff goes away. it's a disaster. they put it between $14 million and $17.5 million economic impact on our town a year. we need help to get it opened up again. >> reverend barber, this is clearly a problem that isn't going to end with this one particular hospital. >> no, in fact we're hearing
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reports everywhere. this is about a perfect storm. the greed of vidant that came in and said in a contract that he would expand the hospital, but in fact, they worked to close it. and they reneged on our agreement that we had in mediation with the office of civil rights. then you have the failure of the government to expand medicaid. in fact, the mayor wrote the governor and they have not even responded to his request. i expect them not to respond to me but not to him. this hospital closes, who is going to tear it down and maybe build apartments or something there? but this impacts poor and wealthy people. there was a pastor i met who died and coded in that city. if he had not been within three minimums of that hospital, he would have died and left four children.
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we're hearing reports of this all over the state where these hospitals are struggling, particularly because these extremist governors and others refuse to accept medicaid. on the matter of people living and dying, it shouldn't be a republican or democratic issue, it should be what is right and moral. >> mayor o'neal, the governor hasn't responded to your letter. do you pick up the phone and call him? do you drive down to the capital and just sit outside his office waiting to see him? what do you do next is >> the governor himself has not responded. some people way below him did call me and want to set up a meeting as we were trying to save the hospital. but it was people four or five steps down from the governor. i asked if the governor was going to meet with us. we're wanting to see the governor, not the fourth down the line. this is a dream for politicians.
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we have blacks, whites, rich, poor, everybody working together, trying to save a hospital, trying to save health care. it's a dream for politicians. i do not understand why every politician that is within the sound of my voice, i guess the whole country, doesn't come running to help with this situation. we have people working together, this is what our country is supposed to be about. >> mayor, you know a bunch of republican politicians in your state. what do they say to you privately about why you aren't getting any support? >> well, they don't want to talk. vidant has big bucks and they're making a lot of contributions to these politicians. that's the problem. we have politicians, we have elected officials that are working for lobbyists and people with the money instead of helping the people that need it. we don't have a lot of big contributors to political campaigns. we need people to come out here for the right reason, to save people's lives. >> go ahead, reverend.
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>> one of the things people should know, this hospital was formed by a bipartisan agreement 60 years ago. what we see happening here, hurricanes couldn't close this hospital, tornadoes couldn't close this hospital. floods couldn't close this hospital. but a greedy conglomerate, the refusal of our government to expand medicaid and other factors locally could close a hospital and close the opportunity for people to live. we joined the mayor. we're going to push a civil rights complaint, and we're going to continue to push on these issues. >> mayor and reverend, thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> lawrence, lawrence, fund-raiser. we need your help. >> good luck, mr. mayor.
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or anyone one person's fault over here. the person most culpable in all of this is malaki. >> this is the way rand paul put it when he wasn't speaking to an exclusively conservative audience. >> what's going on now, i don't blame president obama. made there is no solution. >> if you're not a dick cheney republican when it comes to american power in the middle east. >> i would say the war emboldened iran. >> joining me now is david corn, co-author of the book "hubris." david, it is so interesting to use the domestic political prizm of rand paul to watch what's happening in iraq today, and watch how carefully he has to manage his responses to -- about the question is who's to blame. when he's talking to a broad
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audience, he's very clear about that, that it isn't president obama. then we saw him dealing with the right wing of the republican party with sean hannity's audience, again, refusing to assign that blame to the president, but believing no "i defend the president" line in there. he mutes that a little bit. >> i don't think sean hannity or many people on the right are willing to defend the bush-cheney administration, because it's quite clear they screwed up almost everything that could be screwed up about the iraq war from the invasion to what to do afterwards, to getting rid of the baathists and to helping nouri al malaki get in power and say in power. the obama administration inherited this mess and it's not managed malaki well, and has made i think some bad decisions there, too. but the seeds of this, it really
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goes to the bush-cheney crowd. and yet you have people like sean hannity out there to get back to the politics, all they want to do is find a way to use this tragedy, this dilemma, this mess going on in iraq to bash president barack obama. rand paul, as joe biden might say, is not willing to go along for that ride. but it's going to be hard to see how this plays before republican primary crowds in the 2016 race if this is still an issue at that point in time, which i'm afraid it might be. >> david, you know the thinking of the sellers of the iraq war. what are they trying to sell now? what would their program, what would their policy in iraq be now? >> i don't know. can you sell fire insurance once the building is in flames? it seems to me that all they really have is they want to be aggressive and assertive.
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they want to get u.s. troops -- >> does that mean 100,000 troops? >> i don't know what that means. dick cheney -- we talked about this. dick cheney has come out and blasted the president without saying a single thing about what he would do now. john boehner came out and said the president's napping. okay, mr. speaker, what would you do? silence, crickets, nothing. not even a chirp, because no one wants to be on the hook here. they just want to bash the president. as people know, it's a mess there, there's no easy answers, no easy sides. and it's tragic that all we can do here is put it into this political cauldron. >> david corn, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> good to be with you, lawrence. coming up, 21st century top guns are no longer flying planes. the director and car of an
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today, at noontime, on fox news, a political analyst, who is not quite ready for primetime political analyst, managed to drag beyonce into the discussion about the supreme court's decision on contraception coverage yesterday. >> having access to contraception is not in the constitution. she's dead wrong about that. and hillary clinton, i'm not surprised, this is her bread and butter, how she's going to try to win the white house. she needs the single lady's, the beyonce voters, obama won 76% of the single ladies last time and they make up a quarter of the electorate. they depend on the government because they don't have husbands. and they love to talk about equal pay. >> that's why we watch fox news, so you don't have to.
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nothing the fox news guy said there was challenged by any of the women who heard it. so he has identified a group of voters that he alone, among political analysts, calls beyonce voters. and what characterizes a beyonce voter? >> they depend on government because they're not depending on their husbands. >> okay. beyonce doesn't depend on government, and she sure doesn't depend on her husband. according to forbes' latest guesstimate of her income, beyonce pulled in about $150 million last year, almost double her husband's mere $60 million. but in the fox guy's analysis, beyonce voters are not married mothers like beyonce, they are unmarried women, because, and
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only because beyonce had a hit song six years ago titled "single ladies." >> i call them the beyonce voters, the single ladies. obama won the single ladies by 76% last time, and they make up about a quarter of the electorate. they depend on government because they're not depending on their husbands. >> so in his brain, there are only two kinds of women, married women who depend on their husbands, and single women who, of course, all depend on government. now, disproving that could not be easier, including right there on the fox news set where he was sitting beside women who make much more money than he does and they're not depending on anyone. so don't expect beyonce voters to become a political term of art the way soccer moms did, because everything that's flowing through the mind of the fox guy that has led him to coin
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the phrase "beyonce voters" is wrong. now, to be fair to the fox guy, he's not usually called upon for political analysis. the network doesn't usually care about his opinion. his usual gig at fox news is to follow people with a camera and try to catch them by surprise, which is like wicked easy to do to people who have never before in their lives been followed with a camera. it's a staple of bill o'reilly's show. >> do you think this was a partisan presentation? >> come on. i asked you to come on my show. i've got to get a cab and go to work myself. >> the reason we're bothering moyer is he symbolizes those americans who want their country to lose in iraq based on hatred of all things bush. >> fox's camera guy would do well with sneaking up on people
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i've got the bogey. >> i've got the southern guy. >> you got the lead, i'll cover you. hollywood, we're losing viper. let's just stay on jester. >> roger, i'm on him. >> viper, he's out there somewhere. >> stay with hollywood, man. we're covering his wing.
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>> there's viper, 3:00 low. >> stay with hollywood, we're his cover. >> don't you leave me, maverick. >> hollywood, you're looking good. i'm going after viper. >> that was, of course, tom cruise in 1986 playing the fighter pilot nicknamed maverick and flying with him was actor hughley who plays a colonel in command of a 21st century top gun crew in a new movie titled "drones." >> laser armed. >> what have you got? >> colonel, we have 30 seconds before he gets home. >> are we sure it's him? >> we're sure, sir. >> have you met visual confirmation criteria? >> yes, sir. i'm sorry, sir, he just arrived home. >> we did anticipate this
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possibility when we selected the location. have you i.d.'d the target? >> affirmative, sir. he's playing with his kids now. i am sending the image. >> roger that. they will be extremely pleased. out. >> joining me now, actor whip hughley and the director and producer of "drones," rick rosenthal. guys, great to have you here. i saw the movie the other night at your hollywood screening. you've been promoted from fighter pilot, you're the colonel. and when i saw the movie saturday night, this is the 21st century top gun story. this is where we are. they're underground in some bunkers and in these places thousands of miles away, totally safe, totally different thing than what we were doing in the '80s. >> yeah, it is a totally different thing. in terms of the psychology of
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it, it is strikingly different, you know, when you talk about -- when i was working on "top gun," the guys that i met who were our instructors and the real pilots, they were really gung ho. they were surprisingly smart guys. they were athletes and they were really the tim of the spear as they -- as the line goes in the movie. now, i don't know a whole lot of drone pilots, but it's just a very different thing now. they don't have the same hero status as far as i can tell, you know, and i think that is -- there's a real separation from, you know, the actual battlefield and it's almost like a sanitization of killing and of war. >> rick, this point that he's making is very clear in the movie, that there's a different sensation for warmakers who are
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very comfort my in the united states, in a very safe zone, in this case nevada in the movie, doing what fighter pilots used to do, taking risk with their personal lives, and there's something about there being no risk to the life of the drone pilot that changes the dynamics. >> there's a very interesting line in the film, the actress says, if we can take out anyone anywhere any time without any risk to any of our troops, what's to keep us from playing some very screwed up video games? because, because the operations are often equated now and training is often done via video games. so there's a sanitization. it's of real concern that suddenly, and some of the training, the complex morality of when one decides to take
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somebody's life or not is suddenly there in a way that never was before. >> and it seems the decision to take that life is different when your own life is not under threat, as the fighter pilots always were. another scene, whip, where you're trying to convince these young drone pilots that they've got to execute this mission in front of them, that they've now become reluctant to execute. let's watch this. >> i order you to disregard any orders from lieutenant ordinance and do it yourself. >> we can't do that? >> airman, what are you, about 6'2", 180? >> on a good day, sir, yeah. >> what's the lieutenant? >> she's a girl. >> how big is she, 5'7", 130 tops? >> yes, yes, give or take, probably take. >> excellent. airman, i want you to employ any means necessary to stop her from
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interfering with this mission. >> pardon me, sir? >> if you fail to take action, i will have you court-martialed, as well. >> rick, what i love about this movie is that you can see everyone's perspective very clearly. some people watching this right now think whip's the bad guy this that scene. if you see the totality of the movie, you understand what's motivating him. he's not the bad guy. if that's a bad guy, it's war. but these decisions are hard and drones actually seem to make the decisions harder, not easier. >> we wanted to make a film that was a thriller first and foremost. >> yeah, it is. >> people walk away saying it's pro drones, people walk away saying it's anti-drones, but i hope people walk away talking about it and talking about the moral issues embedded in the subject matter. >> it does seem to be a far more complex movie than "top gun," but this is a much more careful
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portrait of what's going on in war. >> yeah, i think it is. you know, it really -- "top gun" was a real popcorn movie. people get drawn into this movie. i have gotten response from a lot of people that was incredibly thought provoking and really moves them. >> to begin with, you're trying to save people's lives by using these unmanned airplanes. but on the other end, there's all this collateral damage. and the guys who are flying these things are very different from the f-14 pilots because they don't -- they have to sit there and watch what happens to their victims. >> they see who they kill up close to the video, which is so strong in the movie.
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>> i wish we had more time. the film is "drones," thank you both for joining me tonight. rick, we can see the film how? >> it's in theaters on v.o.d. and on -- >> itunes and video on demand. okay, great. so sue me. let's play "hardball.." good evening. i'm in for chris matthews. let me start with president obama's counter punch at the republicans. less than a week ago house speaker john boehnerer accused the president of abusing his power as commander in chief. he called him a king and said held file a lawsuit. president obama dismissed the suit as a stunt and now is


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